Thomas Hager: The oxypolygelatin work. Linus called you, along with himself and Campbell, the inventors of oxypolygelatin.
Joseph Koepfli: I did all the chemistry.
Thomas Hager: Ok, ok. How would you rank that work?
Joseph Koepfli: Oh, it was nothing. No, nothing. It was just kitchen stewing. It was perfectly obvious, everything I did. But the funny
part about the oxypolygelatin was it was used. We took a patent out, a public service patent, and because it was done on
the NDRC...support, it was used. Motorcycle officers around Los Angeles, for example, carried it because they'd be the first
to the scene of an accident. They would use that as a blood [enlarger?], if you will, because if the person was breathing
heavily they would give them their oxypolygelatin. Well Linus told me, I guess it was in '85 or thereabouts, Linus told me,
which I'd never known, he said "You know they used it for years in North Korea." And of course they never paid any royalties.
They just used it for years and years and years-
Thomas Hager: I think he was always disappointed that the government didn't pick up on it more.
Joseph Koepfli: Well, the reason they didn't was because the Red Cross and the blood banks got going in a big way, and obviously they'd rather
have whole blood and serum than they would oxypolygelatin. So I don't think that was warranted, I think that they used it
for emergencies until the blood banks got going. And when they got going, there was really no need of it.
